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It appears to me that a tough shooting guard who can create his own shot is the only thing missing from LSU being a strong tournament team next year. S/S; can you contact Desmond Lee from New Mexico JC to see if he might be open to giving us a look? Hickey, Martin and this guy along with the pieces we have coming in could potentially dominate in the SEC the way we did in 09 when Thornton was lighting it up.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by geauxguru1 14 months ago
I agree that the 1 need that may be lacking is a really reliable SG, but I think Quarterman may end up becoming that if we can get another PG or two next year. Would really like to get a big time shooter in either the 2013 or 2014 class.
SOS, you think that's a bigger need than another center?
“There is no off switch on a tiger”
Nearly every college team in the country needs a kid that can create his own shot off the dribble. Those guys are few and far between.
What LSU needs is front court help. Besides JO3, there really isn't another kid on the roster that should be playing down low in the SEC. Coleman does a great job with what he has, but he's an undersized forward. Tuba has definitely played beyond anyone's expectations, but he lacks true basketball talent and quickness. Courtney has the size, but the talent isn't there.
Why do yall assume that Malik Morgan will not develop at all over the off season? We don't need to add another SG, because we have our guy already. We won't need to add one until the '14 class. This class is pretty much full anyway. To add another player would mean someone currently on the roster would lose their spot.
I think Morgan will be an All SEC talent before he leaves BR. He's had a pretty good rookie campaign as it is.
This post was edited by CDCNAM 14 months ago
I think Malik will develop as a slashing type guard. I was saying that I think it would be nice to have a pure shooting guard. Similar to what we have in Stringer, but someone who could come off the bench when we need a spark from the three point line. I think theres a chance we start playing either Mickey or Morgan at the 3 and Hickey honestly isn't much of a shooter IMO.
I don't think Center is as big of a need as a pure shooting guard because we will have JOB (hopefully), Malone, Odo who can all play the 5. I see this team having a lot of athletic guys who can get to the hole, but I think every team needs that role player who you can count on from deep.
Honestly, I think this class is bringing in:
So bringing in a 2 type player would complete the roster. And the 3 will probably play 4 at some point in his career (Martin) so we really arent bringing in any shooting guard type players.
This post was edited by SouthofSouth 14 months ago
I forgot about Malone.
If Odo and eventually Malone works out we don't need another 5 or 4 player in the '13 class. To me, Mickey and Martin are interchangable 3/4's.
Malik Morgan is going to be a really good SG before he is done. He has shown D1 ability in conference play and he will only improve.
I am a bit concerned about Hammink. He should be a slasher type (granted, he may be a big tall and step slow for SG and is more of a 3) and he has played like...a freshmen that really isn't ready yet for most of his limited minutes.
I don't know where Shavon C. fits in position wise next year. I feel that Mickey and Martin should probably be out there as starters w (hopefully) JOB to comprise our primary front line. Certainly this should help Shavon who just isn't big enough to keep from getting crushed underneath and even layup put backs are a struggle for him. He needs to be a wing 3 and be allowed to play with some space to work.
Therefore SG is what I think CJJ should go for as well. The player linked above or someone like him would help bring depth and ability. Stringer/Morgan/and a New SG in this class would insure depth when Stringer leaves after next year.
We need a point guard for '14. Maybe more than one to groom for post Hickey.
This post was edited by hartjb 14 months ago
Regards to All,
What do you think the chances are that JOB comes back next year? I think if he continues his current stellar play, he will surely be gone.
But LSU would be very good next year if he decides to come back. I think we could make a deep tourney run with JOB, combined with the other recruits we are getting this year
This post was edited by WhoDatSaintsLSU 14 months ago
Proud to support everything Louisiana
I'd like to see this guy come in the fold...
(6'5, 220 SG/SF) Jarekious Bradley - East Mississippi C.C.
22.3 pts (54.3% FG, 43.8% 3pt...takes 5-6 threes a game)
Can play the 2 or 3. Was at Kent State as a freshman and was kicked off for an incident with his girlfriend. Great size and a sharpshooter. Also rebounds well.
Paul Mainieri = 328-135 ovr (70.8%), 119-89 SEC (57.2%), 21-10 NCAA (67.7%), 3 CWS App., 1 National Title
There is zero doubt JOB III can improve his draft stock some great deal by coming back for his junior season. HE will have a lot of pressure taken off of him inside with Odo, Martin and Mickey on the team for next year...so he will see a lot more 1 on 1s. The hardest part is getting him to believe that, because at this rate, by the end of this year he'll be a high 2nd round pick...which may be enough for him to declare. I don't see him ever being a lottery pick, but if he stayed his junior year, could definitely be a low 1st round pick.
At this rate, he's going to be a first rounder. He'll never be a lotto pick IMO, but this draft is the weakest it's been in years. The NBA doesn't draft on production, it drafts on potential so coming back improving his stats or even his game is meaningless as far as his draft stock, IMO.
He's not considered a draft pick right now, there is zero chance of him jumping all the way up to the first round in the next few games we play. And coming back next year can help him immensely getting more 1 on 1s and showing a better jump shot working with a much better team. He still has much he could improve on.
Of course, but so does every other kid that leaves early for the NBA. The question is will improving those things improve his draft stock? I don't think so. He is what he is. On a bad team, he's a role player. On a good team, he's coming off the bench getting 10 mins/game. If comes in the league polished it's not going to increase his value. They'll just send him down to the NBADL to get his polish.
And NBA mock drafts...LMAO. They're notoriously a complete joke.
I get the feeling you really dont know what you're talking about. Yes, players absolutely improve their stock by coming back and showing more. By your account every should be drafted after their freshman season because the only thing that matters is potential, not what they can actually show on the court.
The thing is the kid IS showing it on the court. Can he get better? Of course, but enough to significantly move his draft slot? Not likely. We just had like 4 juniors leave for the NFL because of the same reason.
I guess we'll find out in May.
I think he's gone.
While I don't agree he has jumped into the 1st round yet I do think he has played well enough to get drafted at this point and he has so much room to grow. I think he will be a mid second round pick, like 45+ or so and I don't think there is any way he comes back next year. Would be pleasantly surprised if he did, but this is still the same guy that was talking about being a one-and-done type of guy when he cam in as a Freshman.
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us....They can't get away this time." Chesty Puller
He isn't showing everything to get him in the 1st round which he CAN get into. He hasn't shown a consistent jumper and that's what could push him into the 1st round. That is the definition of significantly improving your draft stock. He could leave this year, probably go to a bad team in the early 2nd, and wind up in the D-league or overseas by his 2nd year. He could also stay in college 1 more year, possibly improve that stock playing more 1 on 1 like they do so much in the NBA and hitting jumpers consistently to low 1st round...and get drafted by a good team where could end up on a roster for a longer time and come off the bench.
This post was edited by thunderbird1100 14 months ago
He can just as easily learn a 8 to 10 ft jumper in the NBA summer league and in the NBADL. He also needs to improve his shot blocking, and he really doesn't have any solid moves with his back to the basket or a very good jump hook from both sides. The kid definitely has a lot to work on, there's no question about that. The thing is that every kid coming out of the draft this year or any other year has a ton of stuff to work on.
I understand your point and we can debate this all day, but it's doubtful that we're going to change each others minds. It's not a big deal; whatever happens will happen. I hope he stays, but I don't think it's likely.
At this time during Tyrus Thomas's RFR year, no one had him as lotto pick. I don't think JO3 gets that high, but things change dramatically between February and June.
Difference is he gets a lot more money to start off with and a better team if he does it in college this year vs. doing it or not in the NBA his first year.
I agree that JOB is more than likely gone at this point. He's averaging 17 and 11 which makes him an all-conference player, especially with Noel out for the season. Those numbers may be difficult to duplicate next season with guys like Martin, Mickey and Odo possibly taking away some of JOB's touches. There's also an infusion of big man talent coming into the league at Arkansas, Florida and Kentucky, among others. JOB got 21 and 14 against Noel and Kentucky- good luck getting those numbers again next year with the new 5 star crop they have coming in.
But if he does come back for another year, then I believe we are only one player away from a final four caliber team. Regardless of whether he stays or goes, I still think we need a guy in the backcourt who can finish to go with Hickey's speed and ability to create. I like Malik a lot and I believe he will have a very solid career, but he's more of a spot up/pick and pop player. I don't think he has the speed or size to get to the rim and finish when guys close out hard on him, at least not at this point.
Marcus Thornton led us to an SEC championship and tough 2nd round loss to the NCAA champs with Spencer, Temple, T.Mitchell and C.Johnson with T. Martin and Q. Thornton off the bench. Without Marcus that team would've probably lost more than 15 games. I'm not saying that we need another MT5, but you really need good guard play if you want to advance in the tourney.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by geauxguru1 14 months ago
It's not about duplicating numbers as much as it improving as a player to the NBA. Numbers matter much less than what you actually show. With all the new big players to help him on offense, that's a plus as he'll see a lot more 1 on 1s and opportunities to look like an NBA player with a better team around him instead of just having to take over every single game which NBA teams know he wont be able to do at the next level.
There's big men coming in the conference but that happens every year. JOB III has already proven he can go up against the best big men and do very well. He owned Stokes and Oriahki also head to head outside of the UK game. UK isn't bringing in a Noel/Davis type big man next year. Their recruiting class is fore-fronted by the two twin guards, not the top big man like they got the last 2 years. They have some very good bigs coming in, but not to the same level as Davis/Noel defensively.
What is Tim Quarterman projected to play?
Coach Jones has said PG, but I could easily see him playing an off-guard position. Jones' guards are almost interchangable so I don't see it being a big difference either way.
On the Johnny O'Bryant front to me you have to ask; Would you rather play D league next year or college ball next year. I don't think he is a first round pick right now. As a second round pick (NBA contract not promised) I don't think his skills are ready to be used in the NBA. While I agree teams draft on potential, I think they draft 2nd round on potential and 1st round on short term production.
Johnny O'Bryant would be drafted and play D league. Do players get called up from D league? Sure, some do. I think he would benefit coming back and making a better name for himself. We all know what the NBA is about, big name players. He will be able to make a bigger name for himself in the college game than D league.
He could learn fine in the D League, but he can brand himself better in college, especially on a possible tournament team. He will get noticed if he scores 20+ in a tournament game. If he shoots free throws, 15 foot jumpers and does dribbling exercises all off-season, he could be primed for an incredible Junior year before a huge payday.
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