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"Success is uncommon, therefore success is not to be enjoyed by the common man"- Tony Dungy
Marcus Dupree, Texas recruiter: "There's always an uncle."
This thread is so awesome too.....So many stories and so many memories rekindled.
I was told the two year (1986-1987) NCAA investigation of LSU resulted from one recruit's testimony that also got Okie State, Texas and Ole Miss on probation. It was Hart Lee Dykes who signed with Okie St. I think he was playing in the NFL when he testified. Texas gave him cowboy boots, LSU gave him some tee shirts and a Whataburger fish sandwich. Don't remember what Ole Miss or Okie State gave him.
If you look at this chart of NCAA probations, you'll see all four were investigated and punished by the NCAA for violations that occurred in 1982, 1984 or 1985. Dykes was a 1984 USA Today All-American and all four schools recruited him. I was disappointed when he picked Ole Miss instead of LSU.
I've been told Miss State ratted out Ole Miss when the Rebels got this probation. That investigation may have been the most damaging for more than one school.
You mentioning Dupree rminded me of how dirty recruiting was in the 80's.
I was very disappointed when Dupree decided on Southern Miss. I was having trouble believing this kid who could go anywhere was going to Hattisburg. National signing day comes up and BOOM!-he's going to OU.
There were too many surprises back then.Surprises like that are why the NCAA took down some programs like OU, A&M, Houston, TCU and SMU. The old Southwest Conference teams were as contentious as Bama and Auburn are with each other when it came to recruiting. They started ratting each other out.
Don't know if they'll ever do that to as many big time programs as they did back then.
ETA: LSU got one year of probation with no real sanctions after the NCAA wasted two years to find out we gave a kid some tee shirts and a fish sandwich.
A list of college football (FBS) programs that have been placed on probation by the NCAA. The list also includes college football programs that have been given bowl bans.
Either this website doesn't exist or is not currently available.
BATON ROUGE La. - The NCAA placed Louisiana States football team on a one-year probation for 12 recruiting violations but allowed the team to retain television rights and postseason bowl privileges. The body also issued a one-year ban on off-campus
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I guess Hart Lee Dykes didn't gave the testimony about the tee shirts and the fish sandwich but he did damage some programs.
NCAA Immunity Deal Hovers Over Oklahoma State : Ex-Investigator Confirms Hart Lee Dykes Retained Eligibility in Trade for His Testimony
Wide receiver Hart Lee Dykes of Oklahoma State, the Big Eight Conference's all-time leader in receiving yardage, ended his college football career Friday night in San Diego's Holiday Bowl, where Oklahoma State defeated Wyoming, 62-14. But the final chapter of his life at Oklahoma State won't be written until later this week.
The National Collegiate Athletic Assn. is expected to put Oklahoma State on probation with severe penalties because of violations documented in large measure by Dykes' testimony--one of the few times the NCAA has been able to put together a case against a school with the aid of an athlete still attending the school.
Published reports, citing unspecified sources, have said that the NCAA gave Dykes immunity from eligibility sanctions for his testimony against four schools--Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Illinois and Texas A&M. Those schools were involved in a highly publicized recruiting struggle for Dykes when he came out of high school in Bay City, Tex., in 1985. When asked previously about the situation, Dykes has said, "It doesn't ring a bell to me."
However, Ron Watson, a former NCAA investigator who is now an assistant athletic director at the University of Oklahoma, confirmed that the NCAA gave Dykes immunity and criticized it for making the deal.
"Hart Lee is making kind of a mockery of the NCAA system," said Watson, who spent 18 months as an NCAA enforcement representative and now serves as Oklahoma's assistant athletic director for compliance. "He played while everyone knows he received extra benefits that no other athlete should be able to receive."
David Berst, the NCAA's assistant executive director for enforcement, was on vacation, according to his office, and could not be reached for comment.
Oklahoma, Illinois and Texas A&M were put on probation in 1988 wholly or in part because of information provided by Dykes.
In the Oklahoma case, which resulted in bans on bowl appearances by the Sooners for the next 2 seasons as well as other penalties, the most serious of 20 violations cited by the NCAA was that an Oklahoma assistant coach offered a recruit $1,000 in an envelope. Published reports, citing unspecified sources, have identified the assistant as Oklahoma receivers coach Mike Jones and the recruit as Dykes.
Of that violation, which was strongly contested by Oklahoma officials, Watson said: "Looking at the time Hart Lee was recruited and the numbers that were out there publicly, what he was going to go for on the auction block, our coach wasn't going to get involved with a $1,000 offer. That was chicken feed."
Indeed, according to Watson, Dykes' testimony to the NCAA regarding his own school was that he received a cash allowance and a car through the efforts of the Oklahoma State coach who recruited him, Willie Anderson, and "several" OSU boosters, whom Dykes named. Anderson, who was fired by Oklahoma State in 1986, did not return calls regarding this story.
Had the NCAA developed such information on its own, Dykes could have been, under the rules, declared ineligible. However, because the NCAA obtained the information from Dykes in exchange for immunity, his career continued. Oklahoma State will begin serving the penalties after Dykes, expected to be a high pick in this year's National Football League draft, has gone.
"That was why it was amazing his teammates would get along with him as well as they did this year," Watson said. "To tell about negative things like that and play with those same guys. He's going to put a lot of them without TV and bowl games."
Wide receiver Hart Lee Dykes of Oklahoma State, the Big Eight Conference's all-time leader in receiving yardage, ended his college football career Friday night in San Diego's Holiday Bowl, where
I've always wanted to hear what happened with Trent Richardson... i feel like I've been chasing that story ever since he was a recruit.
___J.R. Ambrose (from Neville?) is the receiver I was thinking about that got Ole Miss in trouble. for some reason I got his story about testimony against his own school and H.L. Dykes' mixed up. Probably just a case of me wanting someone to blame for the fish sandwich.
LSU, Ole Miss to Appear Before NCAA Infractions Committee
November 02, 1986|Associated Press
BATON ROUGE, La. — Officials from Louisiana State University and Ole Miss are expected to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions this month to discuss reported rules violations.
The meeting will be held in Kansas City on Nov. 14-17, according to a spokesman for the National Collegiate Athletic Assn.
"They're finalizing the official inquiry and, assuming we get it in time, it could be mid-November when we meet with them," said LSU Chancellor James Wharton.
Wharton said he had not received a letter of official inquiry from the NCAA, the second stage of the investigative process.
LSU's basketball program has been under an preliminary investigation for about 30 months.
The probe at Ole Miss centered on the football program, reportedly on the recruiting of J. R. Ambrose, a standout wide receiver.
David Berst, director of legislative services for the NCAA, would not comment on specific aspects of the investigation.
"Before any school meets with the Committee on Infractions, they have to be notified of an official inquiry," Brest said.
"They also have to notify the committee in writing their response to the charges before they appear at the meeting.
"Approximately two weeks later (after the meeting), the school will be notified of the committee's ruling," he said.
The NCAA placed LSU's football program on one-year probation in September for 12 minor rules violations.
The LSU basketball team, coached by Dale Brown, reached the Final Four last season. The team opens its 1986-87 season against Texas Christian University on Nov. 21.
Ole Miss Chancellor Gerald Turner confirmed earlier this week that the school had been told to complete its in-house investigation and forward the results to the NCAA by Nov. 10.
Tom Meredith, a member of Ole Miss' investigative committee, declined to confirm the Nov. 15 hearing date.
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___Ambrose was a Monroe kid that had to go to Tennessee Military Institute to get qualified. I think he went to Neville but with as much of this as I've gotten wrong from the start, he may be a Quachita guy.
---The last link is to an old newspaper that tells about an Ole Miss assistant coach making it rain on Ambrose's hotel room bed. Wonder if it was the Peabody?
Officials from Louisiana State University and Ole Miss are expected to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions this month to discuss reported rules violations.The meeting will be held in
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