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This morning at work, I was able to sit back and listen to two diehard LSU fans debate whether Ole Miss is a "rival"? One of my co-workers, a man in his mid-60s, argued steadfastly that LSU-Ole Miss is one of the best and oldest rivalries in the SEC. The other co-worker, a man in his late-20s, argued that the "rivalry" has not existed for decades and it is merely another SEC West clash.
Board: What do you think? Is the LSU-Ole Miss game a rivalry game?
"You can learn more character on the two-yard line than anywhere else in life." - Former LSU Coach and AD Paul Dietzel
26 and I say yes
It was in the old days not so much now....Ole Miss still lives through there glory years since nothing much else to cheer about....definately bigger for Ole Miss fans.They dont even rank with the piglets since they joined the SEC.The multi overtime loss to the pigs has to be one of the worste losses of my life......shudder
For me: Arkansas...Texas A&M...Auburn...Florida....Alabama,,,,,then Ole Miss.....The Alabama game has heated up last couple years but was dead in 80 90 early 2000. I hated tuberville like some of yall hate Saban at Ole Piss ans Auburn. The spurrier days at Florida were just mean.Texas A&M just had a way of ruining our season out of conference and the Arky fans are the worst bar none....Bama fans with a do nothing team....grrrr
This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by Medictiger 17 months ago
I'm over 60 and I don't understand the argument. And I remember those Johnny Vaught teams who definitely passed the eye test.
All of it is in the eye of the beholder. I remember when the OleMiss-LSU game was "the game". For me, every SEC member is a rival. All it takes is a loss to one of them to knock you out of the race.
To dismiss Ole Miss is nothing short of arrogance. It's a border state and you'll find athletes from both states on both rosters. All Ole Miss has to do on Saturday afternoon is win and that will punch their ticket as a rival.
That would knock the LSU out of the standing for anything meaningful. LSU will be Ole Miss's bowl game.
This isn't a board or video game - teams will show up and play.
To answer your question, I'd venture both co-workers are correct. But my money is on the old fart.
Thats a good post so true!
No...not even close...Bama is a rival...you have to relevant in big time college football to achieve and maintain rival status...
Thanks for the input. I wasn't able to really contribute because I think my opinion is a bit biased. We are friends with two couples who have kids that are attending or have graduated from Ole Miss (one of them lettered in football at Ole Miss). As a result, my opinion is largely based on how much the game has meant between us and our friends.
In other words, I agree...especially about siding with the "old fart." ;)
Ole MIss is an old rivalry, but LSU really has no rivalry team in the sense of Army vs. Navy, Ohio State vs. Michigan, etc. Currently, Alabama is our best rivalry simply because it's the flavor of the month. But there is no team that we would consider more scared than another if we had to create a schedule from scratch.
I would say a life time of hate can be more powerful then a Johhny come lately....I give the Old guys thier dues.So it can be about perspective cause I dont fear Ole Miss and feal any long term threat from them....even thow a single loss would suck.
This post was edited by Medictiger 17 months ago
Yes it is a rivalry. Just not a very good rivalry lately.
Im 26 and yes ole piss is still our rival...in 08 they destroyed us in B.R. on Senior day...and then beat us the next year when Miles had his clock meltdown. So, yeah i consider them a rival today...and sleep on them this weekend and they just might do it again...oh and i forgot to say they played us to the last drive in 2010...
This post was edited by lsuisback24 17 months ago
I'm 35, and I cannot ever remember an LSU-Ole Miss game being meaningful. But, they are as much a rival as Arkansas or A&M. I remember the hate for A&M back when I was a kid (hell, I still remember some of the Aggie jokes), and Arkansas-LSU games have been meaningful the last few years.
“There is no off switch on a tiger”
i think of them as a rival...but not as big as Florida or Bama...or even Arkansas...because they haven't been a big threat very often in recent years. My Dad, who is 86, still thinks of them as our biggest rival though.
To be a rival it is necessary that each think of the other as an equal. In SEC Football, Kentucky and Vandy are rivals for DFL in the conference. Thus, as a rival LSU only has Alabama. Although I enjoy beathig Arky, Aubbie, Moo St and the anybody else on the schedule, LSU has one rival and that is Alabama. Until someone unseats either from the top of the SEC West and CFB for that matter, these two are rivals.
For my friend '76, i'll quote one of my mentors on this exact question. He said this a few years ago and would probably deny having ever said it but when I asked him if 'Ole Miss was still a rival, "How can they be a rival? How long has it been since they were worth a s**t? Beating 'Ole Miss is something you do like wiping your a** after a dump. You just do it because if you don't there will be problems. You just do it but I have a hard time getting excited about it"
I miss Bill M.
This post was edited by truetth 17 months ago
That's because they are look at the recent games we haven't dominated expect fir kast year and took back to back loses...and they almost beat us in 2010 with a horrible team plaqued by injuries
By that reasoning every game is a rivalry if all you look at is a loss knocks us out.
Ole Miss hasn't been a big rival in over 30 years. It is a game that we hate to lose but not one where we gain much by winning.
To me a rivalry game is one you circle on the calendar preseason and build up to. I would wager big money that very few if any LSU fans circled this saturday as a must win last summerI am probably older than you and went through the rivalry of the 50's and 60's when it was as big a game as there was and a huge rivalry Not any more on our side.
Are you high?
Hell yes OM is still a rival! They just beat us two years in a row. How did that feel for some of you folks acting like they're Tulane?
I'll admit, I don't get much as much pleasure out of beating them like I used to, but I feel absolutely miserable when we lose. Just 10 years ago, we were clawing to beat them every other year.
Johnny Vaught teams were well coached, physical and had talent. And in that day it was the rivalry of rivalries and the game of games for both schools. Both the OP's coworkers are right. Ole Miss is a shadow of the powerhouse it used to be on a yearly basis in the 60's. These days LSU is back in the power rankings while Ole Miss has failed to keep up yearly. Thus the reason younger fans don't feel the rivalry that was once there for LSU.
Make no mistake about it, whether the years has diminished Ole Miss once powerful program, it ALWAYS is a rivalry game for the Rebs, and they generally play it like that every year whether they match up or not. Expect them to battle like it is the last game they will ever play this Saturday afternoon.
GEAUX to Hell Ole Miss!!!.
Regards to All,
Rivalry usually has more to do with the competitiveness of the respective fan bases than it does competitiveness on the field. Tennessee sucks now, but that's still a real rivalry with Alabama because there is a lot of geographical crossover among the fan bases and a lot of competition between them. That same dynamic exists between LSU and Ole Miss and always will. There will always be plenty of Ole Miss people living and working in La.,and there will always be plenty of LSU people living and working in MS. A rivalry is a game that stirs up emotion in both fan bases, regardless of how well the teams are doing. I think the LSU and Ole Miss fit into that description.
This is related to my comments above, but I think the Greek communities at LSU and Ole Miss have more interaction with each other than either does with any other SEC schools.
Hey, I tried to answer that question with complete honesty.
It's in the eye of the beholder. I understand your position and that of my old friend Trueth. But for me, Ole Piss is a rival and it's definitely in the way of another win toward a remote chance for a BCS game.
Ole Miss is not getting many of the recruits we seek but they get a few. Every game is a MUST win game.
I will always look at these guys as rivals - there's a measure of respect there that has yet to betray me.
If LSU can get the score to 70-0, I still won't be happy. No Hoddy Toddy for me.
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