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247 reporting UNC has been invited to the big 10. If UNC were to accept, what do you think the SEC would do if anything?
I'd like to see UNC in the SEC. If they go to Big 10, the SEC should go after VT or NC State.
“There is no off switch on a tiger”
I don't like the sound of that one bit.
We might not have thought much about it at the time, but we've seen the Big Ten acquire Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland.
Nebraska is a red state, Virginia is sorta in the middle and North Carolina I think is red.
Maybe LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU and Missouri should join in a conference with Oklahoma and Texas - maybe a new conference - one that stretches from our side all the way to Arizona and north into Idaho and Wyoming.
Then the remaining SEC could merge with the ACC
This post was edited by TigerTowner 14 months ago
It's a big population state that feeds NC, NC State, Duke, and Wake Forest.
NC has a large military infrastructure. North Carolina State has been talked about in the past as a possible SEC member. I'd prefer to see VT or Virginia - huge population and TV market.
The SEC is a super conference that now dwarfs all the others. The Big 10 or whatever its called today needs to add some schools that will generate fan interest and drive some markets.
Va has also received a Big10 offer.
Neither NC St nor Va Tech nor FSU bring anything to SEC, just as Mo didn't.
It was rumored a while back that NC State and VaTech would likely be targeted by the SEC when conference expansion restarted. I feel the same way about NC State as I did about Mizzou, the SEC should be able to do better. VaTech actually may be a good choice.
NC State & Va.Tech bring a lot of television sets, just like TAM & Missouri did, which is what the television contracts are based on. Both the B10 & the SEC want into Virginia & North Carolina because they are large population centers that are getting bigger. UNC & UVA were never going to join the SEC... our academics are too far behind them. That leaves NC State & Va.Tech. There is nothing left to the west worth having. Oklahoma doesn't have the population and OU isn't going anywhere with Oklahoma State in any event. Bringing in 2 teams from the same state defeats the whole idea behind expansion... $$$$. Even Texas brings nothing to the table in television negotiations. TAM brought the whole state in as far as TV contracts are concerned. In the east, FSU, Clemson & Ga.Tech are equally worthless since money drives this, not competition.
I'm still having trouble buying that UNC & UVA are actually going to leave the ACC, which they essentially own, to become marginal members of the B10. They are not in dire straits financially like Maryland was. If they do jump ship, the SEC will surely grab NC State & Va.Tech immediately, then both will start lobbying the NCAA to open a format where 4-division conferences could have a mini playoff at the end of the season.
Nobody is leaving the SEC. There is just no benefit in surrendering money, stability & rivalries for... for what? Nobody has anything to offer the teams already in the SEC.
Alaman, I don't follow your argument.
Mizzzou already brings more than a Arkansas or a Vanderbilt or a MSU. Va Tech opens up another market.
What's the issue here?
This post was edited by lsutiger76 14 months ago
NC State brings no name recognization or competition in football which is the driving force behind conferences. Neither does VaTech which is on a downward slide and hasn't won anything in years. Neither will be able to compete in the SEC and neither will Mo as was shown in the just completed season. Fans of current SEC will not be excited to bring in these mid-level schools. Look at Mo and how much excitement they generate. You are correct in that Arky brought little in football besides upsetting LSU at the wrong times.
Then look at the distance for traveling to away games. Mo, NCSt and VaTech are far away from many schools. Get out a map and figure out how far apart some of these schools are from current members.. No natural rivalries in any of theses schools.
Agree with you completely. NC and Va are solid recruiting areas and new tv sets.
If expansion were only about football, Okie State and OU would be my choices.
The SEC didn't bring in MO because they are a football school with a great fan base. We brought them in because it gives then the st. Louis and kansas city market. A north Carolina school would give us charlotte and other big cities and a. Virginia school would give us the D.C area. When the SEC network comes out in 2014 the more different states the sec has the more cable companies will have it.
With Va Tech, the SEC would be getting another Mississippi St. The schools remind me that much of each other. As for NC St, they're the very poor sister of the NC ACC Schools as far as alumnus support and fan base. It's where you go if you don't get into NC, Duke or Wake. UVa and NC have great fan loyalty and support even when the teams suck as they often do. As for academics, UVa and NC are on par with Vandy and think of themselves as on the same level as Kentucky in BB. It's not about academics, it's about money and the SEC is about to get richer. Would the conference rather another Miss St or 2 or would they rather a Vandy and another Kentucky with better demographics? That's the question.
Mizzou and A&M were desired for the TV markets and it so happens Mo has no innate rivalry with any particular SEC school and A&M does have rivalries particularly w LSU and to a lesser extent, Arky, and eventually just about everyone else because of their obnoxious and vociferous fanbase. A&M was the best of both worlds for the SEC.
SEC would look probably at VTech and another state team not currently in the SEC. None would have the rivalry aspect or excitement appeal of A&M, but we are talking TV money and those are a lot of homes.
OU and OSU are more desirable due to current football prominence but I don't know how much TV market $$ (all of Oklahoma) and DFW/N and NE TX, non A&M affiliated) they would bring in addition to A&M. Certainly on the face, OU would bring instant name appeal for TV in football and some other sports. Don't think that would happen right now though.
Keep in mind OU's AD was the first coattail grabber of Texas when UT made the Big 12 its pet during realignment and they again sided with B12 and TX when A&M bolted. I think they would look at the SEC as a possible dampener of their football program and they would be average in this conference and division. They are also routinely beating the snot out of Texas in football and the hapless Mack Brown over the last few seasons. They like their big dog status where they are and they don't mind kowtowing to UT for TV revenue and most things in the B12.
This post was edited by hartjb 14 months ago
Regards to All,
I think many would like to see a Virgiina and North Carolina based team join the conference. I would as well.
But if the SEC further undermines the ACC, the Big Ten is going acquire some of the remainer. That means possibly seeing a Georgia Tech, a Virginia Cavs, a Duke or UNC - who knows - as members of the Big Ten.
That Big Ten Network is a tax - added on to those folks cable bill so they can watch their teams on Saturday. And the vision of those universities will begin to drift in the direction of Big Ten membership. Can't allow that.
We acquire some ACC schools and the Big Ten will in our backyard.
And looking the other way - I don't want to see Texas ever aligned with the PAC 12.
Until Maryland departed, the ACC had the DC/VA/MD market locked up, the NC market to itself. Atlanta, and South and North Florida, yet it was a non-entity as a strong college football television market. Why?
My suggestion is other than FSU, none of these programs emphasize football and very few of these television sets are tuned into college football. I don't think either of those phenomenons will change whether the members join the Big 10 or SEC.
Sorta off-topic but....
If LSU were in a conference with Missouri, Kansas, (Nebraska maybe), Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma....etc...
Would we have more night games?
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