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Hope y'all don't mind couple of notes that might aide your discussion from an Aggie perspective:
1. At the time of the LSU game, Manziel had just started to emerge from his shell as a downfield passer. The mistakes he made in that game led to him making better decisions and being much more effective from the pocket in subsequent games. LSU's defense definitely gave him the most trouble...far more than Florida's...although Bama did a pretty good job of slowing him down as well. By the time TAMU played Bama, Manziel had gained a TON of confidence in his passing game. From my perspective, Bama did about as well containing him as LSU did, but Johnny got the ball out quicker, progressed through his reads faster, and was also throwing with better precision by that time.
2. Much discussion ensued amongst the Aggie faithful about the play-calling in the LSU game. Many felt it was Kingsbury's worst-called game. I tend to agree. When LSU adjusted to the three-front, the Aggies had a prime opportunity to run the ball effectively, but Kingsbury never capitalized on it sufficiently. In his defense, Kingsbury had always been able to count on Manziel being able to create on the fly in passing situations, so he probably leaned too heavily on that. At that point in time, the Aggie offense was still evolving under a new scheme and a new QB...both were still learning game by game from each other. By the time the Bama game came around, the scheme had started to take on a polish, and Manziel had definitely settled in as a confident passer in the system. The ropes he was throwing in the Bama game were only a few games old, but they were becoming routine.
3. After Kingsbury left, McKinney called the offensive olays in the Cotton Bowl. Many worried about a letdown, but what transpired was that McKinney was nails. The offense stepped up a notch in precision, effectiveness, and variety under McKinney's guidance. Just watch a playback of the Cotton Bowl and compare the situational play selection to the Bama or LSU games. Of course that might have been a one-game anomaly...I guess this season will tell us all more.
A few final notes: Both LSU and Bama have enough speed and talent to counter Manziel's feet with the right scheme. Key will be stopping the running game and putting Manziel in the longest third down situations possible, along with playing granite-solid coverage. This year teams are going to have to bring more inside pressure on Manziel because letting him sit in the pocket for six plus seconds with the kind of downfield and out-of-the-backfield threats he will have is going to be extremely problematic for any defense. Even though Manziel is nasty on the run, your chances are better when he has someone on his hip than when he's on cruise control. Oh, and don't expect much of a letdown in the Aggie OL if all the early indications hold true. The backfield should be a notch more explosive this year as well. The only real Achilles' heel might be the greenness of the receiving corps, but there will be a barn full of talent at WR...Bama/LSU class talent.
Looking forward to many more epic battles on the field in the SEC West. Quality breeds quality in my book. So glad the Ags are part of the SEC now.
This. Our defensive ends stopped rushing the qb and just contained him.
Some good insight from Aggies fans in this one. Some upvotes to go around.
"I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life." - Max Fisher
From what I remember about the A&M game, we definitely ran a 3-3-5 majority of the time. Neither of our ends would rush up field, instead they would just worry themselves with the containing the outside. Bennie Logan would try to get up field quick off the snap; but if he didn't get any sort of a push, then he would just try to occupy blockers to make it easier for the real reason why we stopped Manziel... we blitzed our LB's.
Since we only had a 3 man front and the 2 DE's rarely rushed, we sent pressure up the middle and off the guard with a variety of LB blitzes. Sometimes the 2 OLB would rush, sometimes just the MLB, and so on and so on. To me, that was the key... we blitzed between the tackles and forced JF to roll out right into a waiting DE's. While we did not get many sacks, our DE's were in JF's face putting pressure on him and making his throws off target. I remember a few times when they WR was open, but JF was just off target due to the pressure. I have not watched many replays of the game, but that is the scheme I remember the most.
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Kliff Kingsbury not running the ball against the 3 man front in the second half was very frustrating. Supposedly Sumlin had a meeting with Kliff after that game and told him to use the running backs more.
LSU's defense was by the far the best defense we saw last year and probably the last 4 years. Mingo, Sam, Minter, and the rest were sick. The amount of ground they covered when Johnny was trying to get to the corner was crazy.
Luckily for us I don't think we will see a defense like that this season.
TAMU's offensive line will be the best in the conference next year.
Matthews - 1st Team All-American; top 10 pick
Ifedi - Keep an eye on this guy. HUGE, fast, potential to be VERY good, very athletic for his size.
Matthews - a Question mark -?- but he has had personal coaching from his father his whole life/2 very good players as older brothers and he will probably good. if not Compton is his backup and is solid.
Harrison - very solid OG will play in the league
Ced O - future 1st round pick - only reason he wasn't OT was because Matthews/Joeckel - very Athletic, rangy, great frame. Sherman really liked this kid, recruiting him very hard.
In the Cotton, Mckinney took over, former RB coach, and he started pulling the guards and running power plays against OU's 3-3-5, something KK did not do all season. This was very effective. With our RB depth and OL these plays can be very effective. Will LSU and Bama secondary and LBs be ready to spill and fill? Probably better than OU but this is just one of the ways the "AirRaid" offense is evolving at A&M.
Also I've read some speculation about an option game with the Williams RBs.. Not sure about that.
In re: LSU - The tigers played a great game especially on defense. LSU matches up best against A&M due to their speed on the DL and Corners. Mike Evans, future NFL stud, really had a big mistake when he let a serious gain bounce off his chest and LSU picked it off.
I understand this year the Tigers have a lot of inexperience but I'm sure they will be ready to play in DV late this season.
Great thread and a good discussion! Thank you.
But although sliding Jake Matthews to RT will fill that hole well, but there will still be a problem on the other side.
Also, now that we have all seen the Aggie offense for a year, your games against Bama and LSU will be very difficult.
RT will be really really good. Cedric Ogbuechi was playing out of position last year at OG. He was our backup tackle to both Jake and Luke. He may leave after this year if he has a really strong season.
I'm sure your OL will be fine...Just not sure how you can claim it will be the best. Unless you have imtimate knowledge of who will start for every other team and what their abilities are, then you are just speculating.
That confidence has to be credited to our former coach, Mike Sherman. He was an OL coach most of his career, former Packers coach and the OC for the Dolphins now, he blessed us with the OL we had and the cupboard full of developed talent, he had an eye for OL
Ofcourse anything at this point is speculation, but this speculation is more founded in facts than the company line of "A&M lost their LT, will suck".
How do Ag fans feel about your returning defense? Yall lost quite a bit and not many folks are discussing that side of the ball. Seems to be a question mark.
Please understand that I'm not trying to be difficult. I just wondered why you used such matter of fact wording when by your own admission, you are speculating. Now that I know you are saying you speculate that your OL will be the best then I don't really take issue with it.
Looking at cbssports.com's player rankings(Yes I know this means nothing)
Rank in 2014 Draft Class
Jake Matthews - #1 OT
Josh Williford - #19 OG
Cedric Ogbuehi - #5 OT
La'el Collins - #2 OG(Playing OT for us so remains to be seen which position he is drafted for)
Trai Turner - #5 OG
Vadal Alexander - #4 OT
The rest of the OL on both of our teams are unranked. Now I know this is just one site and it means nothing. But you can see why I think you may have used language that was a little strong.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Flucobaseball 10 months ago
That is the question mark. Our front seven lost a lot of starters. Our secondary will carry the team in my opinion. Ball hawks at corner and safeties who like to hit. Our LB and DL group will need someone to step up as leaders, and at least a freshman each group to contribute. We needed experience, so dipped into JUCOs for some of the front seven.
We are replacing a lot front 7 guys (porter, Stewart, Moore, and nealy). Good news is that we are bringing in the best def line class in nation (2 top 100 guys and another 4 star) and our linebacker class is pretty talented as well.
Secondary we are losing a starter at safety, but the guy taking his spot got a lot of PT last year.
Overall the defense should be similar to last years. Might be a little rough in the beginning of the season, but we haven't had this much young talent in a long while.
DL Class by national position rank
DT - 6, 9, 19
SDE - 32, 60
WDE - 6
DT - 5, 48
SDE - 7, 15, 18
WDE - 12, 28
Two really good classes here. It remains to be seen if Beckwith and Jones will be added to the number for DL or LB
I agree with not liking the wording of will be the best, and prefer to say we have the potential to have the best Oline/Incoming Dline recruits along with bama and LSU.
The thing I am most worried about is the D-line, we have the talent but are basically all freshmen, which Im not sure will fly in the SEC although I was more worried about our defense last year.
Great post +1
This post was edited by BayouBengal13 10 months ago
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