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...Finebaum has Herbstreit on for his weekly spot. Of course they talked about the BCS Championship Game and Bama. Herbstreit made an interesting comment that one thing he sees at Bama is that the staff (Saban, in particular) is able to get kids to buy in to the concept of the "program" versus the "individual" better than most. The discussion was about how recruits hear about how great they are for years, so when they get into a program, coaching staffs have to almost "tear down" that individual concept in order to get them to fully buy in to what the team is trying to accomplish.
When listening to that, I immediately thought about how we lost 9 guys this year that declared for the NFL Draft, while Bama has seen guys like CJ Mosley and AJ McCarron decide to return for their senior seasons. The fact that 9 of our underclassmen declared for the NFL Draft is pretty good evidence, IMHO, that this 2012 LSU team was full of kids playing for themselves and not for each other. That may sound corny, but that subtle difference in mindset can have a big impact on a team's fortunes in trying circumstances.
I think the signs were there before the season for LSU. We saw tweets from players talking about the NFL even before their Junior years. No one can be 100% focused on two goals at once. In the moments you're thinking about the NFL Draft, you can't also think about the next opponent, the next practice rep, the next play, etc....
I'm curious if anyone else heard that on the radio yesterday and had the same thought...or if anyone agrees with me about the culture of the individual at LSU this year.
This post was edited by TigerNE 15 months ago
I couldn't agree more with this statement, and you could definitley see it on the field. These kids had the NFL on their mind more than LSU. They should have been playing for LSU first... For the team. And after the Bama game, you could see this more than ever. I really don't know what the coaches could have done to correct this though. Do you?
I don't know if I completely agree with the "playing for themselves and not for each other" statement... at least not completely. In the Alabama game, there was no indication that ANYONE was playing for themselves, but rather that they gave everything on that day for the team, the fans, and all of LSU. With that said, had the team played that way every week, the season would have been/felt much different. I do agree that after the Bama game, there was a shift, but I think that comes with a program that sets goals of "SEC and National Championship or BUST". When that is your goal, it's difficult to keep focus all the way through. I'm not saying it's right, but very difficult. That's what makes it so difficult in college football, you need talent, focus, timing, performance, health, and luck to pull it off.
I think it's all about how you introduce them to the program from day one. As soon as they arrive on campus, there should be constant discussion about their responsibility to one another for the team to reach its goals, and how individual success is a product of team success - not the other way around. It's a mental, almost brainwash approach, but it works.
One of the most famous videos of Bo Schembechler is of one of his speeches about "team", which he harped on all the time. I would think Miles uses a lot of the same approach, but it doesn't always get through to every team and every player.
Didn't we have a pre-season All-SEC player quit the team mid-season in part because he didn't like that he was being asked to play LT while he wasn't 100% physically? I know there's always been the nebulous "personal issues" surrounding Hurst's departure, but from what I've read, he was as frustrated with his utilization on the football field as anything else this year.
We also saw several tweets this year from guys frustrated with their own individual situations on the field, including Anthony Johnson.
Everyone talks about "THE PROCESS".Itseasy to have a process with 35 high school All-Americans on the roster.You can simply let the players that do not accept your ideas and replace them with another All American.As for theLSU guys going pro please ask this question if you were in their current position.I can right now be f drafted sign a pro contract receive a minimum of $400,000 per season take care of my family,or come back get hurt and then work 40 hours a week for $60,000/U would take the sure thing.Some players will receive much more than I illustrated
One of the problems with the "team" concept we had was the QB situation last year. You cannot have a cohesive team when they are split on who they want to lead them and the HC picks a favorite also.
I think this is all for the best. We can call them the febreeze brothers with how fresh they will be next season.
Everything you said is true but a few Bama players had the same opportunity and decided to stay. I am not saying what our guys are doing is wrong because it is their life best of luck and thank you, but you can't use your example for only the good because it also shows other programs players staying for love of school and team which looks negatively on us no matter how it is spun because of all of our early defections.
This post was edited by LaBornNRaised 15 months ago
I think there's some truth to buying into the program and not the individual. As evidence, the last two bowl games we saw a few LSU players overweight and possibly play with an ambivalent attitude. Those type of details are part of buying into a program. That's lacking under Les' watch. LSU pretty much has the same talent as Bama year in and year out. They should show a bit more dominance over the lesser SEC schools which they don't. The numbers don't lie.
This post was edited by AZTigerFan 15 months ago
I disagree. Kids with a team first attitude don't get split over who plays QB. To me, the team splitting over the QB is the essence of not buying in.
I think you are on to something there. We've had great classes in the past and we didn't see all these defections. Its as if they are afraid to get hurt and play that way. maybe its best they move on because a good bunch of this team show more about themselves than pride for school. I'm not down on the players as much as trying to understand this . If most other top teams lose a ton of juniors, I'd say its the money and the new NFL rules and get it while you can but LSU is not the only team with a ton of talented juniors and we don't see it anywhere else. I think the coaching staff needs to look inward on this and see what the problem is because this is NOT the norm. If this is a trend, then LSU will not be able to compete with a lack of Sr leadership every year.
Reuben Foster was talking about taking care of his family at the presser he, his mom and his sister had when the Alabama High School Athletic Association cleared him to play in Alabama after moving from Georgia. He is a senior in high school with a four year old daughter. He will be leaving early wherever he goes. Saban will take him knowing that.
Nearly every kid LSU and Bama get to commit mentions playing for championships and getting to the NFL. Getting to the NFL is why they come to both programs. Winning championships is the icing on the cake. It's why a kid from North Carolina or Arizona picks a school like LSU or Bama. They can get to the NFL at UNC or ASU but those schools aren't winning a championship. They figure winning while they prepare for the NFL is more fun than losing. Gilmore already tweets daily about the NFL.
I would venture to guess winning the championships has as much to do with the kids staying as the kids staying has to do with winning championships. It's a lot more fun going to class when your winning championships.
I would also assert that LSU has become the least fun successful program to play for in all of college football. Who wants to play for fans that boo 10 win teams. Who wants to play for sorry fans that only back the team after a BCS Championship. I'm talking about people that can't appreciate a team going 13-1, winning the SEC and playing for a BCS Championship. People that are talking bad about guys that were a few plays away from another BCSC Game.
Forget not wanting to play because of a pedestrian offense. I talking about not wanting to play for sorry fans.
Let's start with the defensive players. I think it is hard for them to play lights out defense for 60 minutes when the other part of the team (offense) is not coming close to holding up their end of the bargain. A good example of this is the Baltimore Ravens. It seems like every year you hear rumors of how the defense is calling out the QB and the rest of the offense in the locker room. With Alabama it is as though the offense and defense are trying to one up each other all of the time because their coaches give both sides of the ball the opportunity to succeed while Les handles the offense like an overbearing mother.
Right on, 58!
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