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Great post Firny!!!!! Thx for sharing inside info, that kind of stuff is fun to read. You get to know what some, closer to the inner circle, think about situations that we all wonder about....
I can see it being difficult to shelf 2 QB's that have been developing in the system for 4/5 years for a QB who just came in from JUCO. People tend to make it seem like the decision was so easy to make. I assume after all of that time together, Les Miles has developed a certain bond with Jefferson/Lee that we as football fans cannot understand.
He drove an old pick-up truck that has been with him through thick and thin. He has driven it through some terrible storms and to some of the most beautiful places one can imagine. The old truck wasn't flashy and at times can be viewed as a disappointment when compared to other better looking models. But he had to make due with what he had. What he saw wasn't just an old pick-up truck. It was HIS pick-up truck. He is not ready to send his truck to the scrapyard while the new untested sports car waits in the garage.
"That was Death Valley. It's where opponent's dreams come to die." - Miles
Actually if most people would stop being knee jerk to what I post, I always say that I like Les and about 90% of what he does is great. It's the 10% that drives me nuts, and I am the first to admit that I dont agree with his handling of the O on many, many occasions. I think I'm pretty balanced re: Les, but he is not above criticism.
Thanks for this post, Firny. Good stuff.
"I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life." - Max Fisher
Well, since you just did, I will tell you this: Lee was not "checked out". He has greta practices all 4 weeks, and was told he was going to play. If he was a bit disheatened, I guess its because he was bascially benched after ONE bad game, while JJ had more bad games than good. And, Lee never got a meaningful series in after Bama One. Miles mishandled the entire thing. I know more but I wont post it. And its why I get on Les a lot. He has mishandled quite a few things.
No offense, but his loyalty is to the entire team. I dont think too many were arguing for Mett to start, but Les gave up on 1/9. That has bothered me a lot.
Nothing makes me happier than seeing Auburn financially handcuffed to Chizik at this point. He's gonna leave them with NOTHING, and it's going to be hilarious. Taylor will jump ship first, cause he's a rat, but the Chizik era will end within the next 3 seasons and it will end badly.
I love living in a 2012 where Auburn and Ole Miss are both pathetic and inept.
I agree lee should have gotten a shot to turn the game around against bama but jj looked good when he came back and against arkansas he looked like a qb poised to win it all. Obviously against georgia n bama it was a different story
Firny has always been a good read and his posts I look forward to. To belabor Jan9th any further because water is under bridge, but IF Lee attended practices, he should have been used in the NC game. He wasn't used obviously because of the following situation.
Miles put faith in a limited QB who couldn't process a play if he had 15 minutes to do so. He did this because LSU was romping in its wins and was fortunate to escape Bama with one in Tuscaloosa. This is fine if the defense allows that QB to do the only thing he can do when he loses his first option and that is to run with the ball.
The offensive staff was hamstrung in the weeks prior to the bowl game. They didn't plan any alternative offense strategy or alternative attack. This is because of two very deceiving victories, Arkansas and Georgia. This got Les Miles confident and led to his downfall.
LSU was so much better than any of these teams (minus Bama) that even an abysmal 30 yds of offense by a QB who got at least 20% of plays calling his own number against Georgia was overlooked and no alternative plan was practiced in the weeks leading to the NC.
Saban knew Miles loved JJ and wouldn't change anything because he was happy with things as they were.. Saban was no doubt going to adjust to put the heat on the QB and he did. 8-9 man fronts do that. Miles had a passing QB but I submit JL wouldn't have been any more effective had he been put in. Why? Because the offensive game plan didn't have him in it and Miles is stubborn to a fault. His dispirited squad played as such from halftime onward when it was evident there was no plan B. Stubborn to his own demise in the biggest game LSU has ever had outside of the unbeaten 1958 squad.
I love Miles, have been a proponent of his from the beginning...anyone from TSD in those years know this. But the man embarrassed himself with one of the finest teams LSU is ever going to suit up with what he did Jan 9th. Criticism was and is warranted when due.
On a positive note (because I try to think we learn from our mistakes in this life), Les shows he can adjust in almost every negative situation he has placed himself in. He has a national contending team again this year potentially. Let's see if he does what is necessary to give the defending SEC champions an actual chance at redemption against any and all comers. Especially, Bama.
Regards to All,
After 4 years I never ever thought JJ was a QB fit to run the LSU offense.
It's too bad Les did. It cost us a championship and the label as the greatest college football team of all time.
Yes Miles learns from his mistakes but it's cost us victories and championships along the way!
With that said we can win it all this year...that should ease the pain but it won't change what happened on Jan. 9...
This post was edited by TigersRule1 19 months ago
Really hard to believe it was that simplistic, but it's hard to come up with any other explanation.
Miles was never going to play Lee again. He has no confidence in him. He played JJ cause he had beaten Bama twice in a row. He thought he could do it again. Easy to second guess. Mett couldn't play because he had a hurt hand, I was told that before the game and Miles confirmed it at Media day. I don't know why you guys keep forgetting that.
Not going to start a he said, she said, but that was denied by people I spoke with. Miles was covering his fanny.
I am not knocking Miles, but the BCS game caused me to step down off his wagon for awhile. Just like an athlete has to prove himself game after game, I am holding our coach to those same standards. I agree with jim about not belaboring old news and I agree that he embarassed himself as well as the Tiger Nation. I think he is an honorable man and a credit to our program, but his mule headed thinking puts him into situations where he should not be. Case in point, 8 straights win with Lee and for reasons unknown, he becomes a Tiger-non-grata. If he had played Lee in the BCS game, it would have at least showed us he was trying everything to win. As I said, I think CLM is a good person, an excellent recruiter, but I am still dumbfounded by some of his actions as a coach.
This post was edited by chinesebandits 19 months ago
And Mett said he could have played at media day and it was reported that Mett was throwing to his receivers the day after the BCS debacle...
I not going to play the rumor game either, but Mett had his own problems adjusting last year. He didn't need to play. From all reports I get he has grown up a lot. I just want to remind everyone that there are reasons why people don't play that they don't know. Sometimes we second guess what happens and we don't have all the information in front of us.
I am not saying Miles made all the right decisions last year. Just not everyone knows all the problems we over came to be such a great team. If OKST makes a chip shot field goal, all you guys would think Miles was the best coach ever. Bama was the better team last year, it was a great coaching job to split with them.
I agree with the last paragraph...Bama was the better team with JJ at QB...
I really don't see Gene Chizik lasting two-three more seasons.
Too much off field distraction, too much in-state success from Bama, and unless he can turn this ship around immediately, and get some meaningful SEC wins, he's done.
One interesting aspect will be following their 2013 and 201r recruiting classes.
On Lee, we may never know all the details. He certainly didn't make any public complaints I am aware of. And I am skeptical of any criticism of his work ethic. He had some skills but I think he never recovered from the bashing and beating he endured early. He improved with Krag and he may have had a better career if he had Krag earlier.
He took his team to 8-0. I respect his loyalty and contributions to LSU.
What was once a terrific post started by Firny has gone to chit quickly. It has turned into yet another JJ beatdown and thus yet another CLM is an idiot and those who'll NEVER get over 1/9/12.
"It's my hometown, and that's big for me," Henry said. "It's about playing for the home team in front of family
I call BS on Mett having maturity problems. He was told that he was going to get a shot at play and was never given that shot after he signed. It was pretty evident that JJ was going to be the guy before he got into trouble no matter what. Miles bragged about JJ's improvement just like he did the year before and the year before that. If I knew I was head and shoulders above the guy in front of me and so did everybody else, I would be demoralized if I didn't get a legit shot. That maturity issue was a red herring and everybody knows it. If it were true, then that's the fastest I have ever seen someone grow up. He became Mr Grown-up the on 1/10. I mean the next day the staff said Mett was their guy and had matured enough to lead this team.
People said Mett wasn't ready to be the back-up? BS. He wasn't a true frosh or a red-shirt frosh.That was his third year out of HS. The time from after the SECCG and the NCG is much longer to get him ready than fall camp. If Miles lost faith in Lee or Lee gave up like someone alluded to, then either way, Miles should have gotten Mett ready to back-up in case of injury if for nothing else. I just can't believe what occurred and how unprepared we were in case something went wrong. UH, and boy did something go wrong. But its over and lets hope Les has learned this lesson.
Sorry Tough, but after watching Mett last Saturday I got to say I got a small burr in the butt about him not playing last year also. Lets just say I think the future looks bright now and sometimes I just cant help but think what if.
Folks can whine all the way to their death bed but we weren't beating Bama with any of our QB options. The better team won, that happens sometimes. LSU got beat and that was last season.
JJ beat Bama at Bama and had beat them before that but that luck ran out when we needed it most.
"There are some reasons for this that we cannot get into right now."
Reasons Mett shouldn't hae played last year? Like what, curb stomping a guy in Shady's parking lot? if that doesn't disqualify a player, nothing should.
Mett was the best QB on the roster last year and anyone but Les Miles would tell whoever who would ask.
good post if you ignore the first few things you posted.
The only thing i have to say is the wrs need to step it up. For years now ive seen lackluster efforts from our top wrs, regardless of the qb.
QB's (especially more talented one's) can put a spark into a team that most cannot imagine prior to him being inserted into the game. Remember the 2000 Peach Bowl and how dreadful and awful LSU looked against GA Tech. Rohan Davie enters the game and it was a completely different game from that point on.
Players need to " know" they have a chance to win. It is amazing how an entire team's confidence and attitude can change the second they "know" they can win. From everything that I saw from the minute the LSU players got off the bus in the Superdome, they didn't think they could win the game with JJ at QB. JJ was a deer in headlights and was completely confused by the Tampa 2 defense that Saban threw at him. A change to the one QB (the most talented QB on the team) could have changed everything that night in January. Mett has always been the most talented QB on LSU's roster since he arrived. Mett should have been prepared all season long to take over.
A lot of people say that Mett needed to grow up last year and use his QB sneek at Ole Miss as their exhibit A. Well, read this taken from an article about Mett published this summer. Sounds like a mature, young man, that can read a defense to me:
LSU was nearing the end of a 52-3 rout of Ole Miss in its next-to-last regular-season game. On third and 1 from the Ole Miss 26, when Head Coach Les Miles was obviously trying to run out the clock, Mettenberger ran a naked bootleg for 25 yards.
“I kind of called my own play on that one,” he says. “Coach Miles was kind of pissed, but it was a good play at the time. Saved my running back his life.
“I came off the field, and he said, 'What the hell are you doing?' I told him, 'Coach, they blitzed, and I didn't want to get Terrance McGee lit up.'”
The only one who got lit up was Mettenberger, by Miles. After the bootleg, he was ordered to take four knees and turn the ball over.
“I could see where he was coming from,” Mettenberger says. “But at the same time, if it's 7-7 in the fourth quarter, and we're playing Florida in the Swamp, he's going to be loving it. Double-edged sword, I guess.”
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