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The kid was good but still not as good as Brees this year IMO. What say you?
RGIII deserves it, Brees threw 18 INT this year so far
Paul Mainieri = 358-147 ovr (70.9%), 136-100 SEC (57.6%), 21-10 NCAA (67.7%), 3 CWS App., 2 SEC Titles, 1 National Title
Brees also has 19 more passing TDs (39 tot) and 1700 more pass yards than RGIII. Brees had to take way more chances b/c of how poor the NO defense and run game have been. RGIII has benefitted from a great run game and decent defense. This is obviously up for debate but Id take Brees for my money.
I agree with you but head to head RG3 won and Brees has been really bad during stretches this season. Just another side of the coin to look at.
well no crap you'd take brees right now, he's a proven commodity that plays for the team that you cheer for.
but brees's play has been pretty inconsistent this year, so it shouldn't surprise you that RG3 got the nod over him.
Griffin is second in the league in QB Rating, top 5 in completion %, #1 in YPA, and has his team squarely in the playoff race.
Brees is in a position where he has to do too much for his team, and it's because of it that he's thrown so many picks. Circumstances aside, his team's not in the playoff hunt, either.
No different from any other year, the pro bowl roster is full of questionable selections. I have no clue why Julio Jones and Victor Cruz got in over Roddy White. White has better stats than his team mate in pretty much ever category except for TD's(7 vs 10) and took most of the double team coverage allowing Jones to benefit in single coverage often. Marques Colston getting snubbed another year has become comical. He should have gotten in over Victor Cruz who doesn't even have 1000 yards receiving yet but he does have a fancy end zone dance.
"That was Death Valley. It's where opponent's dreams come to die." - Miles
Don't forget about RGIII's rushing yards and TD's. That counts.
Speaking of snubs, did Whitworth get in this year?
I don't know what kind of stats Whitworth has but he would've had to beat out:
Joe Thomas, Cleveland
Duane Brown, Houston
Ryan Clady, Denver
They only took three tackles from each conference. Whitworth was not a top three tackle in the AFC this year. If anybody got snubbed at that position, it was Jake Long.
That's why we wander and follow La Vie Dansante...
Leaving out RGIII's rushing stats? 752 yards and 6 more TD
RG III was the #2 rated passer this year, Brees was 9th.
Total QBR? RG III = 72, Brees = 67
There are always snubs but Brees was not one of them. Did you watch the Saints this year? Obviously the defense is bad but Brees lost the Saints a few games with multiple INTs.
It also doesn't help Whitworth's case that Dalton is a sack magnet. He averages getting sacked 3 times a game.
Brees should get into the pro bowl as an alternate if the Packers, Falcons, or the Redskins reach the Superbowl.
I disagree with this. The entire Redskin running game is based on RGIII and the threat of his running. Most of their runs are zone-reads, and he always has the option to keep it. That freezes the backside DE and LB everytime they give it to Morris.
Anyone thinking that Brees was better than RGIII in 2012 is playing the Saints Homer role.
RGIII has thrown for a higher completion %, only 5 INT's and has averaged more yards per attempt and yards per completion than Brees this year. Brees only leads him in TD's and Attempts/TD. RGIII also has 752 yards rushing this year to Brees' 5.
If I had to pick one of the two for the Pro Bowl based on their 2012 performance, I'd pick RGIII.
Brees has 152 more passing attempts. RGIII has a better TD%.
Look, this is a debate and Im not saying you're wrong but we cannot ignore the totality of each situation. The Saints defense left the team playing from behind in most games and the Saints have not run the ball well either. Brees has been placed in lots of must throw situations which has skewed his stats for better and worse. RGIII OTO has the NFL's best running attack which leads to much better passing situation thus better stats. It is my opinion that the teams' situations have led to better efficiency stats for RGIII. Maybe RGIII has been better on paper but I still dont think hes played better than Brees for the reasons I stated. Good discussion during a slow period.
But RG3 is largely responsible for Washington having the league's best rushing attack. Take his runs out and they rank 14th. And that doesn't even account for the yards that the RB's get because defenses are keying on the QB.
And Washington's defense is not very good, either. Not as bad as the Saints, but they are 21st in scoring defense and 28th in total defense. They lost their two best defenders to injury before the season even started. The offense is carrying that team.
If we are considering the totality of their respective situations, you must also acknowledge that Brees has four pass catchers better than anybody on the Redskins' roster. Not to mention they were missing their ostensible #1 WR for over half the season.
Yes, RG3 has often been in better passing situations than Brees. But again, he is the one primarily responsible for putting them in those good situations.
If I were picking one of the two to QB my team next year, I'd most certainly take Brees. Nevertheless, RG3 pretty clearly outplayed him this season IMO.
1st point: Totally agree
2nd point: They are better than the Saints and actually pretty stout against the run, and like the Saints they have gotten better as the year has gone along.
3rd point: Slightly disagree. I'll give you Colston and Graham but Pierre Garcon, even though he has been out, would be our WR2 and is a huge upgrade over Devery. I like Lance Moore butt Garcon could do everything Moore can do and then some. Plus even though Santana Moss is a bit of a greybeard I would take him over Henderson. I could also make a really strong case for Hankerson over Henderson and Moore. He has some weapons, and Josh Morgan has been no slouch this year either. If I were ranking recieving options, I would go Colston, Graham, Garcon, Moss, Moore, Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Henderson. So while I agree the Saints have better options it's not like he is working with crap. He has some talent in that WR core.
Overall I agree that RG3 should go in over Brees and I am a huge Saints/Brees fan. But lets not make it seem like RG3 doesn't have some talented guys around him. Alfred Morris has been spectacular this year and has helped RG3 as much as RG3 has helped him.
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us....They can't get away this time." Chesty Puller
I acknowledged that their defense is better than New Orleans, but it's still not a good defense. Anyone who thinks the Washington defense consistently put RG3 in a position to make plays did not watch them much this season.
As far as receiving options, I would go Colston, Graham, Sproles, Moore, Garcon, Moss, Davis, Henderson, Hankerson, Morgan. Could arguably switch Moore and Garcon in the long run, but for this year Garcon's injuries place Moore above him as a quality receiving option. We are only comparing what each QB had to work with this season. Not saying RG3's teammates are crap, just saying that collectively they aren't as talented as the Saints' receivers.
And I am a huge Cowboys fan, so it isn't easy for me to heap this much praise on a Skin. I wish he was on any other team so I could pull for him. He's exciting as hell and seems like a really good guy to top it off.
Sorry to hear that cause the Boys are goin' down this weekend. RG3 is gonna make another huge statement.
Having Sproles over Garcon and Moore is silly IMO especially considering that he was out for the 3 games in which the Saints had their most impressive wins of the year. He is good player but has not had near the impact he had last year and all of his receptions are dump offs and screens. If Garcon had not gotten hurt he easily could be at the top of this list even over Colston, because of his homerun hitting ability. This year, in the game against the Saints, he was the best reciever on the field, and he was out at halftime. He probably would have ended up with over 200+ yards in that game. He has proven that his stint in Indy was not a fluke.
Sproles leads NFL DB's in receptions and has twice as many receiving TD's as the next back, despite missing three games. That is tremendous value added over anything the Skins (or any other team) have at the position. Who cares how he gets his receptions? We are not talking about who is the more gifted football player; we are talking about who was the better pass-catching option this season. Sproles is the best and most productive pass-catching RB in the whole league. He has more receptions and yards than anyone on the Redskins, and only Moss has more TD's. I agree Garcon could have been #1 if he had been healthy...but he wasn't. He is an incredibly gifted WR, but he can't be the best one on the field if he can't stay on the field.
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