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I've always heard a lot of disappointment from fans in Alleva and his ability to get the best for LSU. Those type of posts have skyrocketed on here the past few days in relation to the bowl game scenarios.
S/S, are folks on the inside (i.e. Miles and staff?) upset with Alleva's efforts? Or for those in the know, is there anything specifically Alleva has done or not done to our detriment? I, like many of you, sure had my hopes up for the Cotton but I'm not entirely sure what Alleva can do now that NIU gets to the BCS. Any inside info is appreciated.
From what people have said, it doesn't look like the AD's have much pull. At one point today I read where one bowl was not even giving in to what SEC officials were requesting.
There wasn't a rift between Alleva and the Administration that I'm aware of and I really think there is only so much he can do in this instance. The SEC office went above LSU's head on this one, at least that's my take, and I think ultimately they got what they wanted.
That's my take at least.
Sad thing is Joe Alleva in the following days will send out a letter saying how LSU fans should buy Chick-Fil-A tickets and come support LSU on their wonderful season and wonderful bowl game.
Makes me sick. Truth is Joe Alleva has failed us and if he wants to do the right thing he should buy the tickets and give them away free.
ThePurpleHaze is a message board "Jackal"
- Mike Scarborough TB.com
Sonny, why would the SEC conference officials favor one team over another within the conference? What kind of political moves motivated this. Does Saban's open lobbing for Georgia carry weight. Very confusing and left wondering why we don't get much respect.
On most of the issues that people are upset with him about I don't think he really has much he can do.
For example, when it comes to schedules he has one vote, and most schools find the schedules to their liking. The best he can do is try to get Florida on our side, but why would any other school want us to get our way? Having us as permanent opponents is to everyone else's advantage.
"I strive to never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. They are companions, not rivals, for our affections." -Lance Paddock
Alleva and Miles have never been drinking buddies. I think that's common knowledge.
That being said, on the bowl game I don't see it falling on Alleva. I know LSU was lobbying for the Cotton Bowl, but those officials were most likely looking at LSU as a great alternative to avoiding the Texas A&M vs. Texas matchup by pitting LSU vs. Texas. When Northern Illinois got into the Top 16 and made a BCS bowl, Oklahoma got bumped and the Cotton Bowl had a chance to grab the Aggies and Johnny Football - thanks to the Capital One Bowl going with Georgia - and pit them against someone other than Texas. Apparently that was a win for them.
Had Northern Illinois not gotten in and Texas been in the Cotton Bowl, I believe we'd be looking at LSU in Arlington.
"I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life." - Max Fisher
if this is true we should make a very public show about moving to the Big 12. in the SEC we have clearly inept/corrupt officials, we get f**ked in the schedule while bama has everything laid out perfectly, now we're getting pushed to second tier bowl games. if aleva isnt man enough to stand up to them and fight for LSU, fire him immediately. he never deserved this job and hes done nothing to keep it.
GET AT ME
Its just sad to see that the SEC officials and namely Mike Slive see LSU as a push over that they can feed a **** sandwhich to and make us eat it. Scheduling to appease others in the SEC, going over our head to bowl committees to make sure teams get into games they want, allowing teams with better overall records to get push aside because hyping a team ranked lower because a poster child award winner on said team, and most notably a forced rematch last year that LSU should have nver had to of played.
There is no way that the LSU should have allowed for us to get bumped out of the Cotton over aTm if they got the Capital One bowl to take UGA after they wanted Manziel. Slive went to bat for UGA and then said sorry LSU just take it in the rear.
Thats just a poor job of our athletic administration in letting things like this happen. The sad thing about it is that Joe Alleva probably wont even make a comment about it and just say "Hey, I guess thats just bad luck" there was no bad luck it was just the SEC screwing LSU over likes its done for awhile now on Allevas watch.
This post was edited by ThePurpleHaze 16 months ago
"In the SEC,you're a glorified run support guy.In the Big 12, you're a cover guy."-Bobby Burton asking why DBs go SEC
Yeah, that will show them. "We'll just burn every bridge we've built over the past century, lose all our historical rivals, take a lot less money, and join a conference that is quickly losing its longterm viability, all over a logically supportable decision by the Cotton Bowl that the SEC has no real control over." Remind me not to hire you to negotiate my next employment contract.
All Alleva has done is grow our brand, revenue and profit to unprecedented levels.
And not help fix our horrendous schedule compared to other West Schools, let us get the shaft in bowl selections compared to other West Schools, and let us not have a SEC night game two yeas ago. (Yea still mad about that considering it is a LSU tradition and all) ...
For all the good there has been some bad so please stop acting there hasn't been. People can be realists without picking a side in the posi-nega debate.
yeah. our "brand" is at an unprecedented level. thats why we're in the f**king chik-fil-a bowl.
oh, and I said we should make A PUBLIC SHOW about moving IF silve went behind our back. if he did, the bridge is already on fire, and not because of us. the options are to stand up and do something or lay here like a bitch and take it.
How horrible was our cross-division schedule last year? Kentucky, Tenn and a very down Florida team. Next year's is weird for sure, but we've had our fair share of scheduling luck, too.
Anyway, I am perfectly willing to acknowledge the middle ground. Here I am just addressing the knee-jerk reactionaries demanding his head on a platter, or even more laughably, that we threaten to leave the SEC.
This post was edited by Gravitiger 16 months ago
The fact is we have very little leverage on the schedule. Outside of hollow threats, what is he supposed to do?
Take your tin foil hat off. Silve has probably done nothing behind our back that he hasn't done behind someone else's back for our benefit. It's a shady business and we benefit as much as anybody. But to even suggest leaving the SEC is the dumbest decision, both financially and competitvely, since probably the Children's Crusade.
Also, I see the point of Slive's efforts in this case, even if I don't like it. What he wants to avoid is it being better to not play in the SEC CG than go and lose. He doesn't want teams penalized for playing an extra game. This isn't where I would be upset with the SEC office. Officials? Schedule? Absolutely.
That is because the sec knows aleva will bend over and grab his ankles.
He has told me he is only one vote out of 14. Well we ought to pay him accordingly.
For the princely sum he makes he ought to be screaming from the roof tops in support of LSU athletics.
its awesome how we just have new rules invented and tacked on at the end of every season. last year we threw resumes and conference championships out the window and used "the eyeball test" (a phrase I never heard before or since) to determine the NCG. this year, the conference championship game is suddenly an exhibition, where losing doesn't matter.
funny how bama wanted both of those things.
Maybe that's why the SEC tried to undermine LSU going to the Cotton....
Didn't want LSU getting to comfortable in Big XII country.
SEC took away our chance to eat some Texas barbeque.
This post was edited by TigerTowner 16 months ago
No, the loss matters a lot. They don't get to play in the BCS NCG. They don't go to the Sugar. They just don't drop as far.
Nor is this new. This has been an issue for several years. LSU falling in 2005 to the Chick Fil-A bowl being one of the reasons for the leagues stance.
Bama gets special treatment, no doubt. This however isn't an example of it.
The SEC didn't undermine us going to the Cotton. They lobbied on Georgia's behalf which had the side effect of leaving A&M available to play OU. The Cotton chose A&M over us, pure and simple.
If the athletic department were to "scream from the roof tops", who is gonna come to our aid and stand with us in the fight? The answer is no one. The other 13 AD's would just be sitting on the sidelines snickering at us. If Alleva does voice his opinion I doubt he will do it publicly because the SEC offices wouldn't take kindly to an AD publicly criticizing the commissioner. In this case (and probably most cases), the SEC has all of the leverage. Also, if Alleva was to flirt with the Big 12 or any other conference, Slive would not lose any sleep over potentially losing the Louisiana television market.
Today's college football resembles the politics in Washington. The only deals that get done are the ones that are mutually beneficial for the parties involved. Why would any SEC school give LSU the benefit of not facing Florida every year?
With all of that said, I do think it would be a mistake for Alleva not to express his and the fans' discontent with the whole process to Slive.
In case this has not been covered already, the chairman of the Cotton Bowl is Tommy Bain who is a Texas A&M alumnus. He had been trying to get TAMU into the Cotton Bowl from the very start. LSU getting into the Cotton Bowl was contingent on TAMU getting selected by the Capital One Bowl or if Texas was locked into the Cotton. There was nothing much our AD can do about their selection.
"That was Death Valley. It's where opponent's dreams come to die." - Miles
Another good set of tidbits.
I can assure you that from talking to sources up there this week, LSU had lobbied very hard to Bain and Co. and figured that, as long as it wasn't a Texas vs. Texas A&M matchup, then they would be in good shape, even if UGA got scooped up by the Capital One Bowl and the Aggies were on the board when the Cotton Bowl selected. What hurt was that the opponent changed from Texas to OU when Northern Illinois got into a BCS game, and thus the OU vs. Texas A&M matchup was something Bain could make happen.
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