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I know the defense was gassed in the 4th Quarter against Florida because they had been on the field so long, but this team has looked tired and unfocused in the 4th quarter of several games this year, including the more decisive wins.
A lof of a team's mental toughness is forged in off-season S&C work. The more I watch this team, the more I wonder how high the intensity level was this past offseason.
I'll add that this team has suffered quite a few leg injuries. Every team has them, but we've seen more this year than we're accustomed to. Most injuries to joints happen when the muscles around the joint are fatigued.
A couple of years ago, I assigned some blame to Moffitt and was roundly criticized because he had been ill that season. I'm not aware of any health issues these days, but this team just didn't look as well conditioned coming into this season as it did last season. That may be on the players because they knew they opened with Oregon last year and had no such opponent early this season, but I think it's also fair to question the performance of the guy whose job it is to physically mold and condition these players.
Couldn't disagree more with this. Pretty much every program in the country would prefer to have Moffitt over whoever is there current S&C coach. Can't leave the defense out there for 37 minutes, almost 2:1, and expect them to hold up in the 4th quarter.
Exactly....he is the BEST.....period........he has turned down TX, Tenn, Bama to stay at LSU....Ole Miss just hired one of his ex LSU assistants.
We don't get to see them in the summer but from all of the players we talked to, and we asked a lot of them this, they all said the off-season program was as rigorous as ever. When we did see them working out at the June and July camps they looked like they were going as hard as they normally did.
OK Sonny, I will buy that,but tell me this: I was a competitive powerlifter a long time. I have been around TM and many of his former assts.
So, explain this to me: why do our OL all look like they are hot dog eating contestants intead of ass kicking OL? They all jave thin arms and big guts, and look remarkably unathletic.
The DL look great. I have heard that TM implemented a "new" program for the OL. just my 2 cents here, but it is a miserable failure if true.
Scott Cochran is an ass. But he has bama in superb condition. I know bit about his program, as well. His is MUCH simpler than TMs. But he drills them hard and he is relentless. I know TM is good but our OL look like slobs.
The OL conditioning has "looked" the same for as long as I can remember. I've questioned Moffitt's ways before, because no matter how big or strong our OL are supposed to be, they never show up at the combine or pro days and produce significant strength measures, at least in terms of bench press reps.
Everyone always attacks me when I bring this up and their argument is always that Moffitt's program focuses on the "core", not the arms and chest. I'm not sure I agree with that, particularly for the OL where chest and arm strength are both important components.
There is a simple truth about S&C coaches: their various programs don't differ all that much. The real differentiating point is how much work they get out of the players. I just think Moffitt got a lot more work out of the players before the 2011 opener against Oregon than he did before the 2012 opener against North Texas.
The real point of this thread is that Moffitt seems to be the only "untouchable" within the program. He's been very good for a long time, but his results have definitely been better in some years than others. This year, from a conditioning and injury standpoint, the results don't seem to be as good as last year. And yes, I think injuries have to be factored into evaluation of S&C coaches.
I agree with this. I really wonder if Porter will be ready for the challenge in 2013. Just as important is who else we'll have ready there in case he either can't do the job or gets hurt.
Scott Cochran runs a very similar program because oh look at that he was a graduate assistant under coach Moffit. And there's definitely no need to trash talk LSU alumni on this board.
Some of you guys are getting ridiculous. I haven't seen the first person blame the players. None of us are happy that we lost, but DAMN!! Miles averages 10 wins a year. Stud has been here for most of those years. Moffit is probably the best SaC coach in the country.
You guy are just looking for someone to blame. Get over yourself!! None of us could ever do what those guys do (as bad as you think you can, you can't. PERIOD)
Am I happy with the play calling? No!! Do I think the play calling can overcome the S#%ty play of our guys? No!!
Go ahead and start bashing me!! But, I'm a TIGER FAN. I love them win or lose. Some of you just want the brag to you friend that your team is the greatest more that you love LSU. PERIOD!!!!
“There is no off switch on a tiger”
When players cramp in the second quarter ( they have a few times this year) that points to fatigue.
You're kidding, right? There has been TONS of discussion about the talent deficiencies on this team, particularly in the OL and WR corps.
Why does the Oline look big and sloppy? Take a look at the Oline coach. It doesn't matterif the entrie line was All Pro candidates, Stud would coach them down to high school subs. the problem with the O line is simply the coach. He is horrible at his job. He doesn't teach technique and they are terrible at pass blocking. Pre-season, the O line was picked as one of the best in the nation. A couple of injuries later it is a line in disarray. The ball stops at the line coach, not the strength coach.
I'll add my little tidbit.
I'm fairly close friends with a former LSU O-lineman from the mid 2000's. We often have discussions about his playing days, and one thing that he told me about Moffitt is that TM focuses on explosion rather than slow twitch strength.
One example he gave me was that when we would play Miss St. (who's S&C at the time focused on strength), LSU would go against these huge, overly muscular d-lineman, and simply blow them off the ball everytime because they were more explosive.
When you look at the one-on-one battles in the trenches this year, save for a few examples, we usually win. The problem is picking up the blitz, or getting beat off the edge with speed. No one is putting our linemen on the ground though.
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The question was "should Moffet catch some heat?".
My answer - all coaches are accountable - this team is a sum of its parts.
When you have a defense on the field "forever" against another capable team/program that stresses physicality, you're going to get gassed and beat. On the road,and in heat/high humidity conditions without a break - what would you expect. Yea, I know Baton Rouge has similar conditions.
Moffett or somebody should address the nature of injuries, dehydration, and cramping. I would ASSUME that gets done routinely and thoroughly.
Moffett is not the only competent guy in his field. And he's not the only reason LSU is 5-1.
I agree with most posts in this thread. Definitely some good stuff.
I think Moffitt hasn't fallen off at all, and in fact he's been back and as good as ever after he beat his bout with cancer.
Muschamp even credited current S&C coach Jeff Dillman - former LSU assistant and Moffitt-guy - with how physical and conditioned the Gators were in the bout with the Tigers. Not many know the strength and condition game like Moffitt, so I don't think he's really to blame. It's an odd number of injuries, but like Sonny said, the players said this summer that they were being pushed by Moffitt harder than ever.
"I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life." - Max Fisher
I seem to recall reading something a few years ago about TM's training focusing on explosion. It's a pretty interesting concept, but it seems to me as someone not trained in blocking technique that this would be better for run blocking where you want to blow someone off the LOS, while being not as good for pass blocking where the o-linemen are really in more of a "defensive posture" and having to have the strength and quickness/mobility to hold their blocks for longer periods of time. I know for run blocking you also have to hold your blocks for some time, but if that initial explosion can get your opponent moving in the direction you want him going it seems like you've already won more than half the battle and the rest should be fairly easy.
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