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Arkansas' OL is pretty bad, starts 2 walk ons, one at OT and the other scholarship OT is not very good either as they like to rotate guys there at times. Neither Montgomery or Mingo made an impact on the game as Wilson dropped back about 55 times today and Downs was the only guy with a sack and the LONE TFL on the day.
Montgomery IMO has had a solid season, not the double digit sack season we all thought he would, but still very solid (7 sacks, 12 TFL) for any DE. Cemented his draft status with his size IMO. Mingo on the other hand just seems to have been just "missing" so much this year, in the sense that he gets in the backfield many times every game, but cant finish the deal (4 sacks, 5.5 TFL). Sure we had some teams try to neutralize for the most part those 2 by quicker passing games, but have all complained at some point the lack of pressure when needed this year. I'm just not so sure about Mingo. He looks to be about 225 pounds and will definitely not even be looked at by 4-3 teams at that size. He is a 3-4 OLB and he isn't having the year they would like to see out of a 3-4 rush OLB.
Now I still think they both go 1st round, Montgomery especially (and I think Montgomery is the better overall player who an play DE in a 4-3 or 3-4 OLB). Just wished to see a bit more out of them this year, specifically Mingo, in their draft "money" years. I think both of them need and will focus hard in showing out in the bowl game (whatever it will be) as everyone will be watching.
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I know they are both going to go into the draft but from watching them this year I think they need to stay for another year. Last year they both had very good years with breakout games and got noticed bigtime in major games. This year though they have been virtually invisible for the most part and have not really lived up to their billing of what was thought of them from last season.
I know its a risk to come bak and maybe get hurt but I beleive their draft stock has to take a hit. Maybe not a huge hit, but enough for pro scouts to say maybe you want to rethink your option and maybe give it another go next year and hope for better numbers and performances.
Its not going to happen but I just dont think the Mingo and Montgomery of last year have shown up to the party this season and have had good but not great performances this year.
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I think Tyler Wilson was the best QB LSU faced all year. He can find his open receivers and make his decisions quickly.
"That was Death Valley. It's where opponent's dreams come to die." - Miles
Yeah.. Mingo is definitely out of position in a 4-3, IMO.
I will tell you this.. NFL Scouts and coaches are absolutely DROOLING thinking about Mingo playing OLB in a 3-4.. With his height and speed, he will be a dream for DCs that coach the 3-4.
Pass catching TE's are becoming almost impossible to matchup with in todays NFL but Mingo is the rare athlete that has the ability (Size and Speed) to try and cover these beast TE's
I think he'll have a great career in a 3-4.. He fits that mold way better than being a DE in a 4-3
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
Tyler Wilson is a top QB. But he had all day to throw the football. Our pass rush is anemic.
I think Chavis adjusted from the Ole Miss game after seeing our CB's get burned on man coverage against a QB and WR's that are much less talented to what Arkansas has. Rarely did I see any blitzes against Arkansas. The game plan looked like mostly zone with only a 4-man rush. It's not easy to get to Wilson with only 4 guys and he was getting rid of the ball quickly on the underneath routes. Although it wasn't pretty, Chavis did what he was supposed to do by keeping that Arkansas offense under 20 points. The LSU offense looked bad and Mettenberger's throws were off. A few of the catches required a lot of skill and once again there were dropped balls on very routine catches. The drop by Clement was pretty bad.
LSU decided early on this year that they wanted to stop the run and funnel everything toward the middle ie Kevin Minter. They shifted more to a "wide 9" alignment for it's de's. The ends jobs were to control the tackles and not get hooked. This is why Minter's numbers are where they are this season. Mingo really started to press the last couple of games which is why he got so many offsides penalties late in the season. I for one think that Mingo should come back next year to master his craft and the Tigers can play more combo defense. Mickey Johnson is strong enough to play NT in a 3-4 alignment and we have enough talent and speed at LB to play both. Rasco, Johnson, Hunter and Maclin can play on the ends. Ego and another year with Logan can really make us better. Also our db's will be another year adjusted in Raymond's system. If we can get these kids to stay then we'll be really really special in yrs to come.
I think the biggest thing you have to ask yourself with both is can they enhance their draft stock by returning? I don't see that happening for either and especially for Mingo, who needs to get an NFL system and start playing OLB to get his technique down.
Sonny I think ur right w/ Mingo but his stock as a DE has slipped some although his ceiling as a OLB is through the roof. Montgomery on the other hand, I hope he hasn't topped out. Can he get better? Football is such a mental game.
Not absolving Mingo and Montgomery for what i believe are down seasons, but we are short at least one quality SEC CB. Simon is a #2 CB. I think Mills had looked good but clear the staff doesn't see him as a island CB at this point and more a nickel. I have the same doubts Ole Miss and Miss State had about whether Collins is SEC quality. The nonsense about they didn't know about him because he transferred makes no sense, they just didn't offer him despite him playing (including transferring HS) in their own backyard.
I'm happy for the win, but our D has definitely taken a step backwards these past few weeks
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Boss user: that was brilliant. And it explains a lot. The frosh CBs were very inconsistent and web had to have containment. Thx for a superb post and analysis.
Sonny pegged it perfectly. Neither will improve their stock dramatically by returning. As much as I'd love for one or both to return, it's in their best interest to go ahead and make the leap. Mingo to get acquainted with playing OLB and Monty to take that next step in his development. He'll flourish in the pro system. More freedom to just go balls out and be an attacker as that is what he'll be asked to do primarily.
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